Darn good belts. I managed to shape the handle of my first knife pretty seamlessly with the 80 grit ceramic belt, I then refined the finish by hand with sandpaper, but the belts did what they had to do very effectively. I also put the final edge on the knife with my RLA belts... sadly, I was using old worn belt to profile the grind and paid dearly for my impatience. For Knife #2 it's going to be 100% with red label belts!