Still waiting to even get a pair to try. I originally ordered in august. Didnt like the slim fit so started an exchange. Dispite having to wait a very long time between each product sent out. I’ve had a pair lost in the mail. And the wrong model of pants sent to me (slim again). It’s now mid December and I still haven’t even gotten a pair I can try out. I needed work pants back in August when I purchased them. Not very impressed. Don’t know when or if I’m ever going to get them.