I'm new to Thunderpants, and I am now converted. For my first order I tried hipsters, original and skyrise in various fabrics, designs and sizes. As a solid build 16, I tried XL in these. Beautifully comfortable and kind of silky.. soft, well made, next time I will get the L in this though. I deserve great undies, and these are great undies! ... We all deserve great undies.